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2012-01-05 19:50:02  
I understand you very well, Hans Holo. The things that Hitler did are not acceptable at all. He was a real evil. However, over the years humans have tried to make humor of everything, including evils, death and everything that are hard to talk without humor. I belong to those people, I haven't a subject that I couldn't handle with humor yet. Some might say I'm a faggot but I let them say, I find my style good. I am hardly ever angry so maybe that works. That video & song thing are the same, it's just some speech that most of us can't even understand. At least I, who has studied German for a couple of years, can't.
If it was the same speech by someone else there wouldn't be any problem, but I know you Germans don't want to hear about him anywhere, there is a good reason for that. But that has happened over 60 years ago now so maybe some jokes are allowed as nobody here (hopefully) don't want to do such a things that Nazis did. Some humor should be accepted.

But back to the theme that we should talk about here, nice song ZopUH =p
Last edited by wormi, 2012-01-05 19:53:24
Beetle Racer
Location: FI
2012-01-06 08:52:36  
First I have to say, it's good to see that we can have a serious discussion about that topic without someone posting some crap.
We should be careful to not mix things up.

- It's really not that we Germans don't want to hear about Hitler. In fact we do all the time. History class in school hardly teaches anything else than how bad your grandparents where, there are special "memorial events" all the time, movies, documentaries...We are really looking into that subject.

- About the movie-link: I just wanted to tell you that it's a movie (pure information). I didn't find it funny, probably because I understand what he really sais.

- Making fun of Hitler: I think we have to! Showing the stupidity of this is important. And humor should never back off from anything!!! (I'm a great fan of South Park btw.)

- Making him a Pop-Star: using his voice without any meaning is dangerous. It doesn't matter if you understand the words. You know it is Hitler. It shouldn't be used without any comment. If it's presented in a Pop-Song, it looks like the whole thing isn't "that bad", or like it's a popular opinion, or even just cool.
What if it was the voice of Osama Bin Laden or that Utoya-amok-guy (german media did a cool job hardly mentioning his name...)?
I don't have a problem with using such things in general, but you should have to say something/ it should have a meaning. As an artist you should always ask youself: "Why am I doing this?".

- @ZopUH: just to make it clear: I didn't think you were a Nazi, that's especially why I take the time to write. I'm giving you this hint from one musician to another: give it a meaning or don't do it!
Imagine, in five years you are about the receive the MTV-MA and somebody comes up with this old song he has found on the internet. Then you'll have to explain something...
Sticking with selfish reasons: It's hard to say, because the song sounds like quite an amount of work, but could you please remove the link and post some other songs, because I don't want the music of my band in the same thread as Hitler.

Schtonk!
Hans Holo
:d


Beetle Racer
Location: DE
2012-01-06 13:26:02  
Well said and I'm surprised to see there are 0 trolls appeared so far :d
Beetle Racer
Location: FI
2012-01-06 14:44:49  
I think it's to serious Hans.. looks like you see in this only A.H and nothing else...you think too radical too seriouse.
I'm disappointed i hope my post generate some talks about music -sounds of this track....but we talk about A.H? wtf?
don't you think what your reasoning attracts more attention to A.H than my voice sample of his? -think about it.
You want explanation & reasons...ok. the track have name ( i hope i write right on german) in english sounds like -"A.H Last dance " .When i record this track i think about this bunker where they sitting and waiting...i see this like "Last dance" of this people-understand me?... it was their last hour's - their last dance....last dance of A.H -last dance of Evil if you want. I try to create horror atmosphere here-like it will be...i used for this this dark synthesizer sound-this speach of A.H -this moaning of porn star....and I hope I gave it a dirty and ugly mood.
I hope I gave an exhaustive explanation.
And don't give him attention more than he deserves.... you gave him more attention than me...and i't true
(sorry for my english-it's hard to discussion on language that u dont know-i hope u understand All i say here)



Old Age Caravanner
Location: RU
2012-01-06 15:47:21  
I wouldn't mind to only talk about music, but Hitler is part of the song you posted for discussion. As I said, as an artist you have a responsibility for what you are doing and have to live with the reactions (you could have foreseen this...). Probably this song won't be popular in countries where people had relatives mudered by the Nazis (oh wait, that would be at least whole Europe). In Germany you would risk to go to jail for that.
I think this discussion doesn't attract more attention to Hitler, than (hopefully) to the impression that we don't want it here. As Wormi said, we can't control the internet, but if we see racist stuff in our everyday lives (or in the forums we visit) we can speak up.

I stick with it:
Dancing to Hitler is not cool!

Greetings from Germany
Hans
:d
Beetle Racer
Location: DE
2012-01-06 16:09:29  
when i make this track ofc i dont think about popular...but if I had to explain to someone-I would easily do it.
"In Germany you would risk to go to jail for that"- i don't care/ i'am in Russia.
but if talk about people who suffered....this trak is not for public ofc. I do not run with this track on a recording studio......
too much attention Hans...
btw -if i shoting film about him in Germany i would risk to go to jail for that to?
and tell me how old are you?
Last edited by 3onyx™, 2012-01-06 16:17:59
Old Age Caravanner
Location: RU
2012-01-06 17:13:32  
By posting the song you made it public, worldwide.
To set it straight: I think you won't go to jail in Germany for that song, but you'd probably get a trial in court, your song could get banned and you would get a punishment (money, jail, I don't know).
It is possible to do art with Hitler. If it's legal or not depends on how you approach the subject. There are even some quite funny german Comedy-movies about Hitler (yes, we germans make comedies).
My age? Let's say I'm between 20 and 40 (never be too specific by sharing personal information on the internet, remember?, it's worldwide ;) )
I'm a bit sorry we hardly talked about the music itself, but maybe that proves, that it would have been better for the song to not have Hitler in it. Do you have other songs?

The-totally-political-correct-Hans
:d
Beetle Racer
Location: DE
2012-01-06 17:38:24  
bout age i understand
bout another tracks yes i have some
like this :cool:
http://file.qip.ru/audio/ci356W9l/electrosynth_v3.html - i like it (l)
or this :d
http://file.qip.ru/audio/fmqajBVV/SP0000.html ( this "aaarrrrrghhhh" throughout the entire track-is my voice under distortion :d ) -sick track
for these tracks I'm not ashamed ;)
if you interesting i can find something else
Last edited by 3onyx™, 2012-01-06 17:43:52
Old Age Caravanner
Location: RU
2012-01-07 08:15:56  
Before I get to the music two things: How old are you?
And please remove the Hitler-song (btw. the title makes no sense in german).

The first song is pretty cool, the instruments are set quite nice. For the rythm, I would like some variation.
The second song: I love those distorted sounds! But I think the song needs another part. I was waiting for a part where you can go crazy and move your feet.

Another thing that strikes me (in a negative way) in your songs and on many many other tracks from electronic musicians is how the song is built up. You can kinda hear the process of writing: The tension is always rising. It starts with a beat, a melody comes in, another effect follows... It's always getting more. I think after composing a song it's worth the time to crack it up and rearrange the parts. Why not start with the full "ensemble", than give the listener some time to breathe with only the beat and some effect, to rise the dynamic afterwards and bring in a variation from the start-melody (just an example!)?

I hope you see this as a constructive feedback. The songs are nice, but can be improved...

Hans Holo
:d
Beetle Racer
Location: DE
2012-01-07 09:25:06  
It was a long time -right now I do not do it
bout crack-maybe u right ....i'am not proffesional
All this was done not for publicity and did not attach much importance to this
i was born in 1979
Old Age Caravanner
Location: RU
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